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	<title>Comments on: Wiccan Ordination and Ministry</title>
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		<title>By: Morninghawk</title>
		<link>http://hawkscry.org/2008/01/wiccan-ordination-and-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-688</link>
		<dc:creator>Morninghawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 23:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is generally no charge for ordinations. Be highly skeptical of any groups that do charge for the ordination itself. Some groups give the ordination for free, but charge a small, nominal amount for a physical certificate (other than one you print yourself), which is ok.

As far as where to get the ordination, I suggest reading the post you just read (there are links to the Aquarian Tabernacle Church and Cherry Hill Seminary).

I also suggest reading my other article on ordination: &lt;a href=&quot;http://hawkscry.org/2010/04/wiccan-ordination-and-ministry-revisited/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wiccan Ordination and Ministry Revisited&lt;/a&gt;. There is a link to the Universal Life Church there, along with more information.

Blessed be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is generally no charge for ordinations. Be highly skeptical of any groups that do charge for the ordination itself. Some groups give the ordination for free, but charge a small, nominal amount for a physical certificate (other than one you print yourself), which is ok.</p>
<p>As far as where to get the ordination, I suggest reading the post you just read (there are links to the Aquarian Tabernacle Church and Cherry Hill Seminary).</p>
<p>I also suggest reading my other article on ordination: <a href="http://hawkscry.org/2010/04/wiccan-ordination-and-ministry-revisited/" rel="nofollow">Wiccan Ordination and Ministry Revisited</a>. There is a link to the Universal Life Church there, along with more information.</p>
<p>Blessed be.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 14:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wondering if you could send me some information on how to become an ordained minister in the wiccan religion. and if there if a charge for such an ordination. Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering if you could send me some information on how to become an ordained minister in the wiccan religion. and if there if a charge for such an ordination. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Morninghawk</title>
		<link>http://hawkscry.org/2008/01/wiccan-ordination-and-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-670</link>
		<dc:creator>Morninghawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 17:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, I don&#039;t know anyone in Missouri. Do they require a local, in-state organization, or can it be an out-of-state organization? If it can be out-of-state, then ULC should be able to help or another similar organization like the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sevenplanes.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Church of Seven Planes&lt;/a&gt;. For a small fee, ULC can make you a hand-signature certificate, etc. A lot of it depends on the wording of the laws and procedures in Missouri, of which I&#039;m not familiar.

If you have questions, one great resource for information can be the local government clerk. If you ask very nicely and politely, they might give you information, such as how to do it with ULC, etc. I&#039;ve found some clerks are very willing to help while others are not, so if you get one who doesn&#039;t want to help, just call back or visit another time to get someone else.

Hope that helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, I don&#8217;t know anyone in Missouri. Do they require a local, in-state organization, or can it be an out-of-state organization? If it can be out-of-state, then ULC should be able to help or another similar organization like the <a href="http://www.sevenplanes.org/" rel="nofollow">Church of Seven Planes</a>. For a small fee, ULC can make you a hand-signature certificate, etc. A lot of it depends on the wording of the laws and procedures in Missouri, of which I&#8217;m not familiar.</p>
<p>If you have questions, one great resource for information can be the local government clerk. If you ask very nicely and politely, they might give you information, such as how to do it with ULC, etc. I&#8217;ve found some clerks are very willing to help while others are not, so if you get one who doesn&#8217;t want to help, just call back or visit another time to get someone else.</p>
<p>Hope that helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikki</title>
		<link>http://hawkscry.org/2008/01/wiccan-ordination-and-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-669</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I&#039;m really glad that I found this. I have been seriously considering ordination. I did accually do the ULC thing once. Printed out the piece of paper and was ready to get that wheel rolling.... Then I researched Missouri Ordination laws. If you can tell me, in this state, what is the process I should begin to become recognized if there is no organization in the area from which I can recieve a letter of good standing? And if there were, I would do whatever it took!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I&#8217;m really glad that I found this. I have been seriously considering ordination. I did accually do the ULC thing once. Printed out the piece of paper and was ready to get that wheel rolling&#8230;. Then I researched Missouri Ordination laws. If you can tell me, in this state, what is the process I should begin to become recognized if there is no organization in the area from which I can recieve a letter of good standing? And if there were, I would do whatever it took!</p>
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		<title>By: Morninghawk</title>
		<link>http://hawkscry.org/2008/01/wiccan-ordination-and-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-606</link>
		<dc:creator>Morninghawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 19:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Depending on where you are, there are ATC (Aquarian Tabernacle Church) congregations around the country (and a few in other countries than the US too).

If there isn&#039;t any local congregation that can ordain, then another option is to self-train by reading a lot of good books, leading local groups, etc. and get your formal ordination through a group like the ULC (Universal Life Church).

Many states do not track or verify any minister, so ministerial credentials are not needed in those states for presiding over weddings, etc. (though ministry is much more than that). Such states that I know first-hand about are South Dakota and California. I&#039;m sure there are many others as well. You would have to check with your state government.

May the Gods light your way on your journey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depending on where you are, there are ATC (Aquarian Tabernacle Church) congregations around the country (and a few in other countries than the US too).</p>
<p>If there isn&#8217;t any local congregation that can ordain, then another option is to self-train by reading a lot of good books, leading local groups, etc. and get your formal ordination through a group like the ULC (Universal Life Church).</p>
<p>Many states do not track or verify any minister, so ministerial credentials are not needed in those states for presiding over weddings, etc. (though ministry is much more than that). Such states that I know first-hand about are South Dakota and California. I&#8217;m sure there are many others as well. You would have to check with your state government.</p>
<p>May the Gods light your way on your journey.</p>
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		<title>By: Morgaine</title>
		<link>http://hawkscry.org/2008/01/wiccan-ordination-and-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-605</link>
		<dc:creator>Morgaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 14:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very interested in becoming an ordained minister.I have been actively searching this avenue out though for years. I am the mother of 3 children with very limited resources, and while I have no intention of charging for my services, for I believe the love of the Gods is payment enough, I have no money to spare to pay to become ordained. if you know of any way I can do this I would appreciate the help. Goddess bless you all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very interested in becoming an ordained minister.I have been actively searching this avenue out though for years. I am the mother of 3 children with very limited resources, and while I have no intention of charging for my services, for I believe the love of the Gods is payment enough, I have no money to spare to pay to become ordained. if you know of any way I can do this I would appreciate the help. Goddess bless you all.</p>
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		<title>By: Caden</title>
		<link>http://hawkscry.org/2008/01/wiccan-ordination-and-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-573</link>
		<dc:creator>Caden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too am ordained with the ULC. Living in the state of Missouri at the time I learned real fast, how it may or may not be recognized. Regardless of where any of us with a spiritual calling may seek ordination, there will be times of negative recogintion in the community!  If you ARE dedicated, it will not matter.  Dedication will prevail in the end. Fight for what you stand for wether it be helping others in daily life, or performing hanfasting/weddings!  Even in Missouri where I was not in their eyes a leagal minister, I stood up and let them know what my calling means to me. It wasnt until almost 3 months later, the county recoginized my rights as a minister of the local community, and now even after my recent move back to California, I continue to serve alll around me in need... (Whenever they need me)

Good luck, and blessed be the way of your path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too am ordained with the ULC. Living in the state of Missouri at the time I learned real fast, how it may or may not be recognized. Regardless of where any of us with a spiritual calling may seek ordination, there will be times of negative recogintion in the community!  If you ARE dedicated, it will not matter.  Dedication will prevail in the end. Fight for what you stand for wether it be helping others in daily life, or performing hanfasting/weddings!  Even in Missouri where I was not in their eyes a leagal minister, I stood up and let them know what my calling means to me. It wasnt until almost 3 months later, the county recoginized my rights as a minister of the local community, and now even after my recent move back to California, I continue to serve alll around me in need&#8230; (Whenever they need me)</p>
<p>Good luck, and blessed be the way of your path.</p>
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		<title>By: Morninghawk</title>
		<link>http://hawkscry.org/2008/01/wiccan-ordination-and-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-572</link>
		<dc:creator>Morninghawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, it&#039;s not nearly as important where you get ordained as what you do with it after you receive it.

There is no such thing as &quot;accreditation&quot; when it comes to ordination because of the separation of church and state. The state cannot pick and choose which ordaining bodies it will accept.

In fact, many states don&#039;t register ministers at all, with South Dakota and California being two examples I have personal experience with.

The difference, to me, in ordaining bodies is the training one can receive. I don&#039;t think the training is absolutely necessary, since the Gods help and one can do &quot;on-the-job training.&quot; I find it can help, though. It is for this training that one should be paying for, if they choose to go that path.

If your heart is in the right place, wishing to help others and serve the Gods, then don&#039;t let formalities get in the way. Many of the best ministers I&#039;ve known were not formally trained, but apprenticed under someone else and/or were guided by the Gods.

Blessed be in your new journey of service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, it&#8217;s not nearly as important where you get ordained as what you do with it after you receive it.</p>
<p>There is no such thing as &#8220;accreditation&#8221; when it comes to ordination because of the separation of church and state. The state cannot pick and choose which ordaining bodies it will accept.</p>
<p>In fact, many states don&#8217;t register ministers at all, with South Dakota and California being two examples I have personal experience with.</p>
<p>The difference, to me, in ordaining bodies is the training one can receive. I don&#8217;t think the training is absolutely necessary, since the Gods help and one can do &#8220;on-the-job training.&#8221; I find it can help, though. It is for this training that one should be paying for, if they choose to go that path.</p>
<p>If your heart is in the right place, wishing to help others and serve the Gods, then don&#8217;t let formalities get in the way. Many of the best ministers I&#8217;ve known were not formally trained, but apprenticed under someone else and/or were guided by the Gods.</p>
<p>Blessed be in your new journey of service.</p>
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		<title>By: Crow Meadows</title>
		<link>http://hawkscry.org/2008/01/wiccan-ordination-and-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-571</link>
		<dc:creator>Crow Meadows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your response to my post though I do have to admit that he point you brought up was not exactly what I was trying to approach. I to believe that ministers of any faith should be allowed to charge for their services and that each one has the right to choose what that entails for themselves.
      The point I was trying to make was that the ways for becoming that minister should not involve spending money. 
I must admit that I was frustrated at the time I wrote the previous post. Having tried to find a way of becoming an accredited Wiccan Minister for a considerable amount of time and constantly running into the fact that I could not afford any of the ,what I considered to be accredited institutions and or groups. 
        I have since come to the conclusion that it does not matter where you get the ordination from, what matters is what you do with it once you&#039;ve got it. 
        That in mind I am now an ordained minister of the ULC. What comes next will happen as it happens. I will be registered with the state and become involved with ministering to the wiccans and pagans in the near by correctional institutions and hospitals. That I feel is a good start.
        The best advice I can give to anyone is to do what it is in your heart to do. And you will be happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your response to my post though I do have to admit that he point you brought up was not exactly what I was trying to approach. I to believe that ministers of any faith should be allowed to charge for their services and that each one has the right to choose what that entails for themselves.<br />
      The point I was trying to make was that the ways for becoming that minister should not involve spending money.<br />
I must admit that I was frustrated at the time I wrote the previous post. Having tried to find a way of becoming an accredited Wiccan Minister for a considerable amount of time and constantly running into the fact that I could not afford any of the ,what I considered to be accredited institutions and or groups.<br />
        I have since come to the conclusion that it does not matter where you get the ordination from, what matters is what you do with it once you&#8217;ve got it.<br />
        That in mind I am now an ordained minister of the ULC. What comes next will happen as it happens. I will be registered with the state and become involved with ministering to the wiccans and pagans in the near by correctional institutions and hospitals. That I feel is a good start.<br />
        The best advice I can give to anyone is to do what it is in your heart to do. And you will be happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Morninghawk</title>
		<link>http://hawkscry.org/2008/01/wiccan-ordination-and-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-570</link>
		<dc:creator>Morninghawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for bringing this up. It is definitely an ongoing debate in the Pagan community.

I&#039;m on the side of letting each minister determine their own response to this question that they all face. Some will give it away for free. They have decided that it is a part-time calling and that they wish to continue working their full-time job to pay their own Earthly obligations. Doing ministry part-time does not diminish it in any way, as the vast majority of ministers of many religions operate in this capacity.

For those who wish to serve full-time, they will need to make a living from their ministry. In the Pagan community, there are not enough people in any group to truly support full-time clergy through regular donations.

I personally don&#039;t know of any ministers who will turn anyone away for lack of funds, but there should be an exchange of some sort. Though the Gods have infinite resources, especially time, humans, including clergy, do not. Many will charge money for their services to compensate for their time. Since they need to make a living in some way, their limited time can be spent in helping people with their spiritual development or in working at a mundane job.

The ministers I know who charge for their services normally operate on a sliding scale to make the exchange fair to both parties.

If someone truly wishes to receive free spiritual guidance on an ongoing basis, one can always consult directly with the Gods. They are always available and have infinite resources for personal aid. This is where I recommend everyone get the bulk of their spiritual aid since we all need it daily. Human ministers are an important part of a religious community, but they are not a substitute for direct interaction with the Gods.

Hope this helps.
Blessed be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for bringing this up. It is definitely an ongoing debate in the Pagan community.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m on the side of letting each minister determine their own response to this question that they all face. Some will give it away for free. They have decided that it is a part-time calling and that they wish to continue working their full-time job to pay their own Earthly obligations. Doing ministry part-time does not diminish it in any way, as the vast majority of ministers of many religions operate in this capacity.</p>
<p>For those who wish to serve full-time, they will need to make a living from their ministry. In the Pagan community, there are not enough people in any group to truly support full-time clergy through regular donations.</p>
<p>I personally don&#8217;t know of any ministers who will turn anyone away for lack of funds, but there should be an exchange of some sort. Though the Gods have infinite resources, especially time, humans, including clergy, do not. Many will charge money for their services to compensate for their time. Since they need to make a living in some way, their limited time can be spent in helping people with their spiritual development or in working at a mundane job.</p>
<p>The ministers I know who charge for their services normally operate on a sliding scale to make the exchange fair to both parties.</p>
<p>If someone truly wishes to receive free spiritual guidance on an ongoing basis, one can always consult directly with the Gods. They are always available and have infinite resources for personal aid. This is where I recommend everyone get the bulk of their spiritual aid since we all need it daily. Human ministers are an important part of a religious community, but they are not a substitute for direct interaction with the Gods.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.<br />
Blessed be.</p>
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